Ze Duel

[Jedi_501]

En cherchant un peu sur TFN et le SO j'ai trouvé quelques "affirmations" plus au moins officiel qui me semblent intéressantes et pas encore discutées.

"Le duel impliquera à un moment 4 personnages!" Lesquels selon vous, Anakin, Obi1 ok mais qui d'autres? Padmé et Palpy?

"Il y aura du dialogue pendant le duel. Certains mots seront aussi blessants que les sabres lasers".

Est ce possible que Obi1 essaiera de déstabiliser Anakin en ajoutant un caractère émotionnel au duel sachant qu'il ne pourra pas battre Anakin en combat singulier si ce dernier est dans un état normal. (un peu comme Vader avec Luke ).

Ps : C'est mon premier sujet, alors essayez de finir la page svp svp svp (Bon il suffira d'un Mhra des grands jours mais au cas où...).

[Acea]

Attention spoilers !!

Bon perso, je sais qui sont ces 4 personnes pour avoir lu une infime partie du scénario (j'ai résisté à na pas lire la suite)
Ce sera Anakin, Obi-Wan, Palpi et... le comte Dooku. C'est vers le début du film, à bord d'un croiseur de la fédération.

[-THX-]

Est ce possible que Obi1 essaiera de déstabiliser Anakin en ajoutant un caractère émotionnel au duel sachant qu'il ne pourra pas battre Anakin en combat singulier si ce dernier est dans un état normal. (un peu comme Vader avec Luke ).

Non ,je pense plutôt qu'il s'agit du contraire en fait.la technique d'utiliser la déstabilisation pendant un combat est plutôt une pratique des Siths, et non des Jedis...cependant l'enjeu de ce combat fera surement qu Obi Wan et Anakin parleront, je parie pour le fait qu Obi Wan essaiera longtemps de calmer Anakin, de le raisonner, ce à quoi Anakin répondra qu'il trouve que le coté obscur est bien mieux que tout ce que lui a offert Obi-Wan, que les Jedis sont des ordures ^^
Les mots " blessants" seront surement lachés par Anakin, mais Obi Wan pourra surement arracher quelques petites répliques cinglantes sur la fin


Quand au combat a 4 personnes, rien ne dit qu il s'agit de 4 personnes au sabre laser exactement...

[Dion777]

Débat lancé par Acea:
Attention spoilers !!

Bon perso, je sais qui sont ces 4 personnes pour avoir lu une infime partie du scénario (j'ai résisté à na pas lire la suite)
Ce sera Anakin, Obi-Wan, Palpi et... le comte Dooku. C'est vers le début du film, à bord d'un croiseur de la fédération.

J'emet de grands doutes...

[Acea]

J'emet de grands doutes...

Bah oui forcément, on peut être sûr de rien à l'heure actuelle... Va voir ma source ici C'est dans le 4ème paragraphe...
Apparament, le duel à 4 personnes n'est pas le duel final entre Ani et Obi. DE plus, d'après ma source lors de ce combat dans le croiseur d la fédération, les personnages parlent beaucoup... ca colle donc...

[Jedi_501]

Ca m'étonnerai Acea, le site officiel parle bien du duel de fin.

Comme a dit THX rien ne dit que ca sera 4 Siths/Jedis, Padmé pourrait assister au combat. R2/ 3PO peut etre aussi (peuvent t'ils etre considérés comme des personnages).

[TEEDA]

Fights
• "Ep III definitively has the most lightsaber action of any Star Wars film." - RM
• "The battles will be on an even larger scale." - RM
• "We will see some glorious death scenes." - RM
• "No rematch between Yoda and Dooku though both will have their own fights." - SW Insider
• "The new fights are going to be amazing." - RC
• "Some of the fights are incredibly huge." - RC
• "There will be many intense fights." - NG
• "Yoda will be seen in action sequences again." - RC
• "There are going to be new styles of lightsaber fighting. Deconstructing the current Jedi style." - NG
• "There's no question that we'll see Saber duels in Episode III that will definitely top the Obi-Wan / Maul duel." - NG
• "We will see at least one character we've never seen fight before with a lightsaber, do so in Episode III. Also expect a new style from this or these characters too." - NG
• "Anakin will cover just about every fighting style in Episode III." - NG
• "Many limbs will be lost in Episode III." - NG
• "The Epic duel between Anakin and Obi-Wan will be the longest lightsaber duel ever." - NG
• "Female Jedi will fight in Episode III." - NG
• We will see the younglings fighting, which will include Rick McCallum's daughter (Mousy McCallum)'s Jedi character. -NG
• "Anakin is vulnerable on a slope." - NG
• "There will be some spectacular battles." - JK
• "The skills of the actors involved is awesome and the drama was real. Even without the music being added, the scenes are thrilling and frightening." - AD
• The opening battle is entirely in space, but there will be land battles in the film. - RM
• One character in the film will use two lightsabers at once "and he's bad." - RM
• We will see female Jedi fighting in Ep3. - RM
• So far no new styles of lightsabers, but we will see new styles of lightsaber combat. -PH
• We will see many land battles and at least one is of the continuing Clone Wars. Ryan thinks it looks cool. -RC
• The different fights involving Yoda, Dooku, Mace, and Palpatine (not necessarily linked to one another) are all very interesting and one in particular is "really cool." - DG
• If the Jedi that die in the film are "real Jedi" then they will take some clones with them. -DG
• A lot of people in Ep3 will be hit with a lightsaber the way Obi-Wan was hit in Ep2. -NG
• There will be more than 2 people fighting in the confines of the Trade Federation ship fight scene. -NG
• There are so many memorable fights aside from the Obi-Wan/Anakin duel, but Nick likes the one he cannot reveal. -NG
• "Kit Fisto goes out like a #####." -NG
• Kit Fisto's death is certainly less heroic than say, Mace, but Kit doesn't just fade away without any effort. I think Nick's comment was to tease the actor who played Kit Fisto. -PH
• When asked if we will see any more beheadings like Jango in Ep2, Nick said "heads will roll in Ep3". -NG
• Nick winked and gave a nod when asked if we would see double-bladed lightsabers in Ep3. -NG
• We may see a naval battle (on water) in Ep3, but Pablo was noncommittal. -PH
• The force powers seen in Ep3 are among those we have seen before. -PH
• At one point during a duel, four characters will be involved. -OS

voila un résumé de tout concernant le duel , j ai malheureusement pas de traducteur desolé pour les non bilingues .

[TEEDA]

The Duel


• The classic saber of Ep4 Ben Kenobi will be among the sabers in use. - OS
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• The major focus is the breakdown in friendship between Obi-Wan and Anakin. - SW Insider
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• It won't be the special effects that make the Obi-Wan/Anakin duel so thrilling, it will be the betrayal. - RM
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• The lightsabers used by Obi-Wan and Anakin are ones we have seen before. - PH
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• The Anakin/Kenobi duel is a lengthy one and will span many sets and travel a lot of distance. - OS
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• One of the several settings for the duel with have red-gelled lights providing a glow to the set. - OS
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• The duel will be a fierce confrontation and will keep up the pace for a while. Some of the fighting will take place on an incline...and "Anakin is weak on a slope", as Nick Gillard pointed out in his webchat and meant it literally. - OS
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• Anakin and Obi-Wan's costumes will have discolorizations, cuts and burns from fighting and from their environment. - OS
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• Who is the aggressor and who is the defender will alternate during the duel. - OS
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• In one setting for the duel, Obi-Wan and Anakin will move over a large area but will careful of their footing. There will be "obstacles". - OS
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• At one point in the duel, Anakin and Obi-Wan will look off-screen at a distraction. Their eyes will be looking at different spots of this distraction itself. - OS
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• The duel will have a segment in a darkened room with a metallic surface with mechanical structures. And later the duel will move to isolated platforms. Anakin will circle his former master (Obi-Wan). -OS
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• During one point in the duel, either Anakin or Obi-Wan will swipe his lightsaber blade against an outcropping and sever it. -OS
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• The duel between Anakin and Obi-Wan is not a gentleman's duel. It will get nasty. -PH
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• During the duel there will be a segment when Anakin and Obi-Wan dangle from cables, swinging to and fro. The wires being used are supposed to be visible The Jedi will be wearing the "weathered and beaten" robes. -OS
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• At one point during the duel, debris will fall and one the characters will deflect it (likely with a lightsaber). -OS
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• Some of the words spoken during the duel "will cut as deeply as lightsabers". -OS
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• "The Epic duel between Anakin and Obi-Wan will be the longest lightsaber duel ever." - NG
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• "The duel involves some of the fastest dueling I have ever seen. It almost appears artificially sped-up. It's just that fast." - PH
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• There are parts of the duel when Anakin and Obi-Wan move even faster than the Maul/Obi-Wan duel in Ep1. -PH
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• Red-gel lighting provides atmosphere for the duel scenes. There are also flashes from strobe lights going off to signify an alert to some kind of hazard. -OS
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• Anakin and Obi-Wan will push their weapons into counter-tops and control panels and the FX Dept ignited squibs that burst to fill the frame and cover the actors with bright sparks and debris. -OS
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• The fight involves leaps and throws at an accelerated rate. -OS
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• Obi-Wan and Anakin have a moment where they collide with a control panel and land hard against a rough surface. The control panels and display screens have many unyielding protrusions. -OS
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• One huge wall has a very thick blast door rigged which is opened by chains. One character will open it using muscle power. - OS
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• Knowing what happens in Ep3 makes Paul see the classic trilogy in a new light. He specifically mentioned how he has a new understanding of the depth of friendship between Anakin and Obi-Wan. He now gets a lump in his throat when Vader strikes down Kenobi in Ep4. -PE
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• "The final fight sequence in this film should surpass any fight sequence that has been put on film so far. It’s the longest, I can’t give you specifics, but it is quite the bad-assed fight scene. Nick Gilliard has done an amazing job instilling an arc of story in the fight. It justifies, because you know Anakin and Obi-Wan have it out, but Anakin is the chosen one-he is supposed to be the best. But he comes out on the shorter end of the stick in the fight. It justifies it really nicely as the fight progresses." - HC
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• The Anakin/Obi-Wan duel is very fast, similar to the speed of the Obi-Wan/Darth Maul duel. -NG
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• "The climactic fight scene is, at 12 minutes, the longest fight scene in cinema history." -NG
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• The Anakin/Obi-Wan fight will be the longest SW fight ever. It is currently edited at 10-12 minutes. -NG
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• "I saw a pretty amazing fight scene between Ewan McGregor and Hayden Christensen. It's pretty sick. They did it all themselves. They were thinking of having stuntmen do it, but they were better than the stuntmen. It's pretty awesome." -NP
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• Obi-Wan of course defeats Anakin in Ep3, but winning one fight does not necessarily make one the best at it. -NG
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• As it stands now, the final duel will not be intercut with other action sequences, though that is subject to change. -NG
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• "Geographically, the duel covers the most distance of any other swordfight on film. And depending on the way they cut it, it should be the longest swordfight, timewise, that's ever been on film." - HC
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• As scripted, the final duel exhausts almost the entirety of the Jedi bag of tricks. -PH
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• There will be some dialogue during the duel. It is far more chattier than the Ep5 duel. -PH
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• "The duel is a monster of a sequence. I had a couple of years to think about it and think about what George had told me about it, and it was daunting because I knew how important that sequence is. I spent probably a year deconstructing the Jedi style of fighting to make it work. I had Hayden with me eight weeks before we started shooting it and I had Ewan six weeks, which wasn't really enough time, so we often had to rehearse at weekends during the filming. If it comes out like I saw it being shot, it's going to be phenominal." -NG
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• "The duel will explain how Obi-Wan is able to defeat his protege, even though Anakin has been established as the most powerful Jedi who ever lived. Obi-Wan taught Anakin and Anakin has gone past him. But when you get to that duel, it's emotional. That's where the mistake will be made. And if you know the characters, you know Obi-Wan isn't going to get emotional and he doesn't make mistakes." -NG
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• Anakin's grisly demise at the end of the duel is set to be one of the most chilling moments in the entire saga. -NG
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• The duel will occur on a brand new planet. But it's long been the stuff of legend, so obviously those who have been following the saga from its earliest days have some idea of what it will be like. -PH

toutes les infos concernant le duel , desolé pour les nons billingue mais j ai aps de traducteur .

[TEEDA]

Débat lancé par TEEDA:
Fights
• "Ep III definitively has the most lightsaber action of any Star Wars film." - RM
• "The battles will be on an even larger scale." - RM
• "We will see some glorious death scenes." - RM
• "No rematch between Yoda and Dooku though both will have their own fights." - SW Insider
• "The new fights are going to be amazing." - RC
• "Some of the fights are incredibly huge." - RC
• "There will be many intense fights." - NG
• "Yoda will be seen in action sequences again." - RC
• "There are going to be new styles of lightsaber fighting. Deconstructing the current Jedi style." - NG
• "There's no question that we'll see Saber duels in Episode III that will definitely top the Obi-Wan / Maul duel." - NG
• "We will see at least one character we've never seen fight before with a lightsaber, do so in Episode III. Also expect a new style from this or these characters too." - NG
• "Anakin will cover just about every fighting style in Episode III." - NG
• "Many limbs will be lost in Episode III." - NG
• "The Epic duel between Anakin and Obi-Wan will be the longest lightsaber duel ever." - NG
• "Female Jedi will fight in Episode III." - NG
• We will see the younglings fighting, which will include Rick McCallum's daughter (Mousy McCallum)'s Jedi character. -NG
• "Anakin is vulnerable on a slope." - NG
• "There will be some spectacular battles." - JK
• "The skills of the actors involved is awesome and the drama was real. Even without the music being added, the scenes are thrilling and frightening." - AD
• The opening battle is entirely in space, but there will be land battles in the film. - RM
• One character in the film will use two lightsabers at once "and he's bad." - RM
• We will see female Jedi fighting in Ep3. - RM
• So far no new styles of lightsabers, but we will see new styles of lightsaber combat. -PH
• We will see many land battles and at least one is of the continuing Clone Wars. Ryan thinks it looks cool. -RC
• The different fights involving Yoda, Dooku, Mace, and Palpatine (not necessarily linked to one another) are all very interesting and one in particular is "really cool." - DG
• If the Jedi that die in the film are "real Jedi" then they will take some clones with them. -DG
• A lot of people in Ep3 will be hit with a lightsaber the way Obi-Wan was hit in Ep2. -NG
• There will be more than 2 people fighting in the confines of the Trade Federation ship fight scene. -NG
• There are so many memorable fights aside from the Obi-Wan/Anakin duel, but Nick likes the one he cannot reveal. -NG
• "Kit Fisto goes out like a #####." -NG
• Kit Fisto's death is certainly less heroic than say, Mace, but Kit doesn't just fade away without any effort. I think Nick's comment was to tease the actor who played Kit Fisto. -PH
• When asked if we will see any more beheadings like Jango in Ep2, Nick said "heads will roll in Ep3". -NG
• Nick winked and gave a nod when asked if we would see double-bladed lightsabers in Ep3. -NG
• We may see a naval battle (on water) in Ep3, but Pablo was noncommittal. -PH
• The force powers seen in Ep3 are among those we have seen before. -PH
• At one point during a duel, four characters will be involved. -OS

voila un résumé de tout concernant le duel , j ai malheureusement pas de traducteur desolé pour les non bilingues .

• " The duel will explain how Obi-Wan is able to defeat his protege, even though Anakin has been established as the most powerful Jedi who ever lived. Obi-Wan taught Anakin and Anakin has gone past him. But when you get to that duel, it's emotional. That's where the mistake will be made. And if you know the characters, you know Obi-Wan isn't going to get emotional and he doesn't make mistakes ." -NG

donc c est bien un duel émotionnel ,Obiwan ne sera pas emotionnel et n hésitera pas a attaquer anakin , qui lui contrairement est tres emotionnel et sera rétiscent a tuer son ancien maitre .

[Acea]

Ca m'étonnerai Acea, le site officiel parle bien du duel de fin.

Comme a dit THX rien ne dit que ca sera 4 Siths/Jedis, Padmé pourrait assister au combat. R2/ 3PO peut etre aussi (peuvent t'ils etre considérés comme des personnages).

Vi vi mais comme je l'ai dit plus haut, on peut être sûr de rien...
Et puis est-ce vraiment important pour le moment... )

[Ajunta]

Pourquoi pas Anakin et le Comte Dooku contre Windu et ObiWan
Dooku et Windu s'écartent quelque peu et le combat ObiWan/Anakin commence et se finit comme tout le monde le sais si bien !
De toutes facons on se saura que dans 14 moiiiihahahahassssss!!!!!!!

[Acea]

Bah en fait on sait que Dooku va mourrir (au vu du peu de scène que Cristopher Lee à tourné)Apparament c'est Ani qui le tue au début du film.

Moi je pense vraiment que le duel Ani/obi-Wan aura lieu face à Palpatine (une chti clin d'oeil la fin de ROTJ) Et que Palpatine va influencer Ani alors qu'il sera en train de se battre contre son maître mais aussi contre lui-même (ce sera une terrible bataille de l'esprit)